Итальянские выработки и т.д.

Тема в разделе "Спелестология", создана пользователем sashiki, 23 апр 2007.

  1. Красота! Но никого не интересует подземля где-то там, далеко... Мужик русский нелюбопытен.

    А там ведь фото итальянского собрата:

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    Вот ещё весьма хлебный сайт, с разной подземлей. Особенно порадовали фотки Римской Неглинки, Cloaca Maxima...
    http://www.solis.darkpassage.com/below/index.htm
     
    Последнее редактирование модератором: 16 авг 2016
  2. Салюты от naples Италии :)
     
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    Клоака Максима - это не ихняя Неглинка, это собственно и есть канализация, ещё этрусского творчества, и одновременно осушительно-ирригационная система. Действует до сих пор.
     
  4. А чем не Неглинка? Даже по виду похоже, и по чистоте воды. Только на пару тысяч лет постарше. Если в нынешние времена в Клоаку перестали сливать фекальную канализацию (наверняка!), то она по сути стала вполне подобна нашим ливнёвкам.

    Ещё меня очень радует, что до сих пор действуют римские акведуки: Аква Вирго, например, льёт воду в фонтан Треви, а Аква Клаудиа насчитывает в длину 70 км, из них 50 - под землёй. И всё работает!

     
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    умели строить же в годы былые... а назовите мне хоть одну современную ливнёвку, что простояла 2.000 лет! ;)
     
  6. У нас знаю 2. Им лет по 150 :)
     
  7. С 19 по 27 мая еду в турпоездку в Италию: день в Неаполе, 5 в Риме, последний свободный в Неаполе. Понятно, есть большое желание куда-нибудь залезть :) Кому есть что подсказать - подсказывайте, понемногу начну и сам обстукивать забугорных коллег...
     
  8. Съездили :) Супер! Подземля в Италии что надо. Даже беглый осмотр привел в восторг. Спасибо ребятам из Наполи Соттеранеа (Лука, Фулвио) и Рома Соттеранеа (Марко, Массимо). Думаю, нам есть чему у них поучиться... Фотки будут, отчет надеюсь тоже :)
     
  9. Итак, фотографии:
    Подземелья Аппиевого парка - это в Риме
    Подземелья площади Кавур - а это в Неаполе
    Кое-что подземное есть и в других разделах: http://horisonts.narod.ru/foto_italy.html
    (напр., ход Криптопортика на Палатине, где замочили Калигулу, и Мамертинская темница, где сидел Св. Петр)

    Тематические сайты:
    http://www.napoliunderground.org/ - сайт неапольских энтузиастов, есть форум; основные заводилы - Лука Кутитта и Фулвио, с которыми мы и ходили
    http://www.larryray.com/napolibelow.htm - сайт их американского друга Ларри Рея, переведшего инфу о Неаполе подземном на инглиш (скоро сделаем такое же на русском ;))
    http://www.lanapolisotterranea.it/ - о неапольской подземле для туристов
    http://www.romasotterranea.com/index.php?lang=en/ - сайт римских урбан-спелеологов, весьма качественный; главный у них Марко Плачиди, меня водил Массимо Песчи, потом еще обнаружилась русскоязычная Татьяна Пилипенко
    http://trekking-o.blogspot.com/2007/01/speleo-club-roma-28012007-prossima.html - страничка Луки Каваллари (хорошо знает окрестности Рима)
    http://asan.forumfree.net/ - форум римских спеликов (вроде и не только их, не вникал глубоко)
    http://www.speleonauti.com/ - тоже спелики, не общался, но рекомендовали
    http://www.catacombe.roma.it/welcome.html - сайт о римских катакомбах
     
  10. One hundredth photo added to NUg Photo Gallery!

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    Posted by Fulvio, August 13th 2007

    Little by little over time we have continued to add outstanding photographs of the Naples underground and from other related speleological excursions both urban and natural. We welcome your photos which we will be happy to post for all to see. If you have photos of your explorations and are willing to offer them to the public, just email them to us with a brief description of the photos and we will post them with your credits. We have just reached our 4 Millionth hit last month, so we have a nice viewer-ship both in Europe as well as many English speaking countries through our English Language version which you are reading. Captions to our photo gallery remain in Italian, but "a photo is worth a thousand words" certainly applies here! Here's the link to our GALLERY

    email Napoli Underground

    Larry Ray

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  11. Brothers on reason! :)
     
  12. And what it for tunnels? Mines{shafts}?
     
  13. I'm writing for my friend NeandertalMan (couse NaendertalMan said only GUUU GRUUUU Gnauuurrrr atc) ;D
    I' Ipogeo from NapoliUnderground (His official translator from Neandertalian to Italian and english) ???
    This video is made in an ancient acqueduct beneath Naples that was made first by the Greek peoples, then by the Romans and finally (in the '700) the last part of acqueducts.
    In the short movie you can see part of a greek water tank, a roman water tank (is the last image you can see in the movie) and a lot of acqueduct trees escavated about 2500 years ago! We're now in exploration of this new part of Underground of Naples and, as soon as possible, we'll produce the sencond time of this exploration.... so wait for us.
     
  14. Thanks for video. Beautifully and mysteriously. To our mines{shafts} of 180 years. (Odessa) But them under city and suburb almost 2000 kilometers. Has not understood only why so slowly went down? ;)
     
  15. Massa Italy - WW II Air Raid Shelters Congress

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    Well... resumed partially acquaintance, after the trip which had to the 36 hours of travelling and 1400 kilometers milled in company of the unic Ipogeo, we are ready to tell you the details of this wonderful experience that was the Conference of Massa - a shelter in order not to forget. The right way to begin this story is, surely to thanks those who has made possible this encounter between the reality of various cities undergrounds and how, everyone of them is organized in order to protect the own population from the aerial incursions of II the World war. Is necessary to remember the maders of the manifestation that borned from the fervent minds of the members of the FNCA to which we feel legacies from sincere friendship. Endured after all our admiration goes to the Communal Administration of Massa that, although decides of a meager hypogean patrimony, has had the farsightedness to sponsor, rendering it the manifestation possible. In last to all the participants to the conference that have given us moments of gotten passionate emotion with their documents and their studies. Made this right one premised I would pass to the story of these nearly two days that will remain one miliar stone of national urban speleology. The departure from Naples is happened in the first morning and all the carried out travel without serious difficulties if the chaotic ordinary excludes the traffic that we have pecked on the GRA of Rome; but that one had been futured. Our fear was not to arrive to destination in order to participate to the guided visit and the annexed teatral shows in the Massa's shelters that the good Padovan had preannounced to us. So we are made to precede from two or three telephone calls with the hope of being attended before giving beginning to the visits. It was not necessary,infacy, to the 16,30, perfectly in timetable, we arrived in the Tuscany citizen and little after we have found the center of the Conference. With great emotion, at 12,00, we have exposed, with 58 pictures, the wonders of the Neapolitan hypogean patrimony provoking in all the guys the admiration and it envies it for our fantastic coves. The concluding of the day was with the descent into two placed medieval reserviors to the inside of the Fortress of Malaspina right opened for the speleos that participated to the conference. The inspection was made decreasing in two inner pools of the historical structure. What to say... the only and irripetibile experience is to had I privilege to know, finally of person, the members of the FNCA, the mythical Guglielmo with its photos 3D and many likeable persons have abundantly repaid of the faced hard work. The best end of this story is the knowledge of the interest for our engagement on Naples Underground. I must, in end, carry a pair of personal messages: Guglielmo Esposito exchanges again the salutes to Andrea Small boxes of the Scintilena that had asked to make it them to me. Gianluca Padovan sends its compliments and salutes to Clemente Esposito of the CSM for some its photographies that we have carried to Massa. The story and all the photos of the two-days of Mass the found ones to theese link

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    The photos

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  16. NUg Speleologists Assist Exploration of Private Underground Catacomb

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    Posted by Larry Nov 4, 2007

    Following the destructive earthquake in the Naples area in 1980, many ancient churches in the city were closed because of fear of structural damage. One particular church with a fascinating history was among those shuttered and abandoned. Located in the very center of the original city, this church, which will remain unnamed for reasons of security, has a long and mysterious history. It stands where a large private palace once stood in the 17th century. A noble Marquise owned the palace, and had decided to move to a newer part of Naples. A religious order bought his palace for 600 Ducats in 1601, and converted it to a small chapel and convent. Historians and archeologists knew that the elaborately decorated church was built incorporating parts of a grand old private palace, beneath which a private burial catacomb had been used dating at least to the mid 1500's. In 1640 the religious order acquired an adjoining palace and an atrium between the two buildings. An elaborate Rococo church was constructed over the site of the private underground cemetery. For the next three hundred years the elaborately decorated church and convent used the old cemetery for burial of clergy and members of the order.

    After the earthquake of 1980 the church, like hundreds of other ancient buildings in Naples, suffered structural cracking and damage. The church was closed and abandoned. Pieces of the ornate facade and exterior began to crack off and plummet to the narrow street below creating a public hazard. Priceless paintings and ornamentation had been removed from the church and placed in museums and stop-gap measures were taken to shore up the exterior the church. The once famous church and convent with its mysterious underground burial chambers faded from memory as the once glorious structure faded into the background melding with the facades of the other centuries old buildings on the street.

    A few weeks ago, NUg director, Fulvio and fellow speleologists, Luca and Fabio were asked to assist with a survey of the present structural condition and safety of the ancient catacomb beneath the church by archeological researchers, and those interested in the overall condition of the ancient church. The initial inspection is detailed in the photos below which show the deteriorating condition of the once magnificent and ornate church. Fulvio's team, the first to view the chambers in decades, located the old entrance into the catacomb chambers and were wary of what they found. The archways above the old chambers had been shored up with thick wooden braces, all of which were now rotted and crumbling. Large pieces of the walls and overhead areas had fallen and littered the floor. They discovered huge piles of bones from burials that could possibly date to the 1500's or even earlier. Several once elegant, velvet covered coffins were found, still containing totally decomposed skeletal remains of high ranking clergy whose rich and colorful robes and vestments could still be seen, though now almost turned to dust.

    A second trip is planned by Fulvio and his team to assist a highly respected forensic archeologist who will collect samples and conduct tests in the extremely fragile and potentially dangerous catacomb complex. The researchers hope to determine the ages and times of burials of the various remains in accessible parts of the catacomb complex.

    Larry Ray


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  17. На ГОРИЗОНТАХ выложен перевод статьи о подземном Неаполе и описаний ряда интересных мест и маршрутов:
    http://horisonts.narod.ru/naples_intro.html

    За корявости прошу не пинать :)
     

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